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though unfortunately the it's going to

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be broken into two parts but I can fix

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yeah it's making me watch an ad here

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talking by the way I have some things I

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have to say if you guys wanna sure let

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me know if we're back on you know live

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yeah sunday seems to be a bad day which

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is another reason maybe

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well Frank just so you know apparently

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we're on life now cuz somebody just told

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me we are okay and we're back good okay

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I wanted to actually continue on with

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the whistleblower topic dr. Scott you

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had a fascinating story you want to tell

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us actually if you don't mind just going

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back over that again because I had asked

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you a really important question you have

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you had the opportunity beyond the board

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of directors with MUFON from 1990s 2000s

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I wanted to ask you if you had ever

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encountered a whistleblower in any

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capacity do you mind just retelling that

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a little bit again thank you I had a

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section on my book about whistleblower

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this was at for a patel study Battelle

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Memorial Institute study that was done

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under Project Blue Book and the study

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was classified in secret it was a part

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of Project would look at the other

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people and punch it blue book didn't

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know anything about at the time and it I

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was caught it was a letter by Hillary

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cross and the president Mattel and other

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people that were to try to stop the

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Robertson panel because the data wasn't

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there but the study was secret and some

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whistleblower

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made the the memo public and there was

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some investigation over who the

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whistleblower was but nobody ever did

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figure out it it was probably some it

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was somebody that knew a lot about

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what was classified the tell them what

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yeah dr. Scott you want to tell the

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folks who Howard crosses he's a pretty

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interesting guy he was

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he worked at Mattel he was a

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metallurgist and but know that a

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top-secret study of the information that

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came from Project Blue Book it was a

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statistical study of the information

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they came out with results that were

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very very highly very very high

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probability that UFOs are real from just

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doing statistics on oh about 13,000

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reports from Blue Book and at that time

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that was classified secret top secret

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and Howard Cross was one of the people

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that was the director of the study there

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were several directors and I'm not real

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sure who was on top of who but he had

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signed the memo along with the top

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president of the town to stop to try to

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the Robertson panel who was a was kind

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of set up by the government to in

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Project Blue Book attempt to and debunk

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it and Mattel didn't didn't have the

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data yet and so they didn't want the

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Robertson panel to take place and Howard

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crosses one of the people that tried to

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get the Robertson panel stopped but he

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didn't succeed because they set it up

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anyway and it did debunk UFOs well

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traditionally in whistleblowers I don't

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know of any other kind of definition if

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anybody wants to add to it just let let

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us know a whistleblower is a purse

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who exposes any kind of information or

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activity that's deemed illegal unethical

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or not correct within an organization

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that is either private or public Shane

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or Earl I was going to ask you have you

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I have you ever come in contact with the

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whistleblower of any kind either with or

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being involved in new fun or not well I

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did have a case Erland early in my

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career of a gentleman who made a report

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to MUFON who you know claimed that he

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was a worker at a certain area and and

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made a report of some information so I

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whistleblower but he made sure to say

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that the the information that he had or

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what he had seen was outside of the

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boundaries of his work so yeah there you

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know it was it you know you had to read

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between those lines a little yeah yeah I

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mean you always have to check I'll

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always ask the person I want to see

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their ID badge

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yeah mm-hmm or there's a dd-214 there's

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then and but but it I've certainly had

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especially last year I had quite a few

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people that were working at Boeing and

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Lockheed and other you know working on

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pretty important stuff that had reported

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UFOs and they weren't I mean they were

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wondering if I could tell them what they

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were seeing though but you know that

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they were figuring that that was

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probably one of our black projects I

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saw he he was a aerospace worker and yes

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he is he was high up there working on

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you know working on on our military Air

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and and such but he saw a he said that

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he saw a black triangle you know land on

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the property there that it was a

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I need buy a Cessna that it was that it

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was about 3:00 in the morning when a lot

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of people see stuff out in the Palmdale

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Lancaster area that spot but he actually

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claimed to see it land behind the wall

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he wasn't sure if it was a Lockheed wall

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or the boy wall it was gate five area is

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where he was he he wound up following

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this thing and but he couldn't tell

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which area it landed in and the sky was

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was who he was saying he was and he got

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really cut he got cold feet I mean he

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was going to give me another witness and

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and and finally he said you know I'm

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starting to feel afraid and this is all

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I'm gonna give you and I'm not gonna

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talk with you anymore about this this is

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enough I didn't actually get enough

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information from him to give him a full

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on unknown classification on his case I

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think I settled for four insufficient

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data because they were just if I had

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been able to get that other witness you

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know it would have made it better but

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and they're technically whistleblowers

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there they've got security clearances of

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their own and but you know again it

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wasn't like he was disseminating

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information that he had through his

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security clearance right this was saying

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that he saw that he didn't understand so

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whistleblower or not technically my mom

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was a whistleblower when she was talking

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to me about her work which is aircraft

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when I was a little kid of course as I

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got older she kind of disappear lips and

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and wouldn't talk so much about it said

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well you know I thought that you'd

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forget what I told you because you were

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four or five years old but you know here

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we are we're still talking about it you

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know you should know that I could get in

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a lot of trouble you know you're not

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supposed to go and talk about this sort

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of thing so I guess that yeah my mom was

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a whistleblower but it was to a little

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child I'm just gonna say by its by its

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a whistleblower you know you have to

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handle that with extreme caution anyway

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right because you know the position that

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remain anonymous and like girl said you

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verification in a way that doesn't

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threaten them but you know you can nail

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down some facts so I mean whistleblowers

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themselves are it's it's tricky business

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and you know you got to be really

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cautious with that for you and for them

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that's right I wanted to touch on one

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other subject before wrapping up and

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that is maybe we can all agree that

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there's certain aircrafts out there that

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look alien like so to speak that people

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have wondered have been

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reverse-engineered I'm sorry we're

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reverse engineer to be able to create

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that kind of crap like the Blackbird or

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a different kinds of crafts out there

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that our hypersonic also unmanned

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hypersonic drone crafts that are out

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there does anyone believe that these

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kinds of crafts that we see today

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occasionally our skies or are reported

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on as being fact could have been taken

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from reverse engineering

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extraterrestrial technology anyone want

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so they've been working on it long

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enough they must have figured something

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think about it the technology that we do

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see today is like 30 or 40 years old

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like you know when the esslyn 17a came

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out oh my gosh that thing looked as

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alien as you can get but it was you know

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basically on paper and started to be you

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know developed in the 70s and and I

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think Richard Dolan said I thought was

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an interesting fact that the NSA had

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computers with like a 650 bus speed in

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the 60s and that didn't hit the the

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public market until the 2000s or

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something like that and so I mean it

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just illustrates that that's the way

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technology works we're not going to see

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it so you know whether they're our own

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be seen but entirely possible and you

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know especially like these black

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triangles sightings that that you know

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are happening quite a bit you know you

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got to think that that might be our

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stuff that's recurring those sightings I

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mean they are always the same they're

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described the same there's certain

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things that people in their descriptions

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that aren't really well-known out in the

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public that correlate these sightings

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and they're a very real thing and I

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personally think the black triangles at

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least the ones that look kind of cookie

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cutter that those are ours that's just

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my opinion David Marr lers the guy who's

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really on the triangle he's good he

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doesn't think they're ours though yeah I

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disagree with him on that I think some

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of them are yeah I had the opportunity a

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few years ago when I was outside at

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night looking up at the sky to see a b2

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fly overhead and what was weird about it

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and this is something you don't really

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see in pictures of the b2 is that it

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looked like it had these glowing solar

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panels underneath it look just like

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solar panels after you know doing a

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little bit of research I eventually

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figured out that those are the

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afterburners that's what it looks like

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at night when it's flying over but I'm

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telling you I could kind of make out the

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shape of the triangle and it looked

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pretty much like a b2 but what were

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those glowing solar panels I couldn't

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figure it out for a while it took a

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little bit of research but I finally did

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figure it out and I can see you know I

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remember that particular sighting pretty

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well I'd know that it was flying over

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towards the Air Force Base over in

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Jersey and it was interesting it stuck

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with me even though like I said it was a

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b2 I'm sure that mm-hmm cool yeah um

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there was an entire Belgian UFO wave

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regarding black triangles as everyone

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knows the black triangle sightings are

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not just like a one-time thing

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they've been observed through the 20th

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and 21st centuries so a lot of these

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black triangle sightings come from all

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over the world and have been visible to

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radar and like I said as well as the

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regarding the famous Belgian UFO wave

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cases which I'd encourage anyone to look

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up also wanted to just

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and one last thing regarding hypersonic

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craft I guess let's see Lockheed Martin

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for years has been developing a

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successor to one of the fastest aircraft

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in the world the sr-71 blackbird wanted

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to know these government contracts that

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are so important to us regarding having

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aircraft that are superior to other

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countries do you think they used

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intelligence in order to gain that kind

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of information to design and manufacture

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manufacture these crafts do you think

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that they had their own intelligence so

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to speak just like our government has

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their own intelligence to gather data do

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you think these government contractors

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had their own intelligence working for

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them

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anyone I know for a fact they did

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involving the stealth technology they

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picked up a lot of the ideas from me

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Russian scientists as far as developing

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go ahead I just say industrial espionage

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is you know well known fact and and you

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know we have to combat it here quite a

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bit people trying to take our technology

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and you know when you think about just

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the whole reverse engineering

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methodology that that's that started on

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terrestrial objects right and warfare

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and stuff so I mean it's it's really a

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pretty logical and and you know

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understandable process but yeah weather

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weather we've had information from

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others or not you know that's the

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remains to be seen but entirely possible

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and reasonable

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well dr. Scott would know all about that

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the foreign technology division of

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forces at wright-patt and if they got

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chunks of recovered I assume shot down a

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crashed aircraft it would go there and

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once in a while somebody would defect

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and they would actually get a fully

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functioning aircraft and that would go

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out tumeric which later on became

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Edwards Air Force Base where they could

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take those up in the air and and test

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them out and see what the other guy was

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doing yeah when I worked the I was there

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Luke was we have a question just that's

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the Russians

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[Laughter]

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that's wonderful I wanted to mention

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something it's from an NDTV article so

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you go to NDTV calm it's the title of

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his America's fastest spy plane could be

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back with top-secret changes and they

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were saying in this article one of the

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folks involved in the making of these

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hypersonic craft he said we couldn't

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have made the engine itself would have

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melted down into slag if we tried to

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produce it five years ago now we can

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digitally print that engine a spy plane

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with an incredibly sophisticated cooling

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system integral into the material of the

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engine itself and have that engine

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survived for multiple firings for a

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routine operation that is how far that's

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the end of that quote that's how far

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technology is gone in general not just

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like with ordinary things but like

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regarding hypersonic crap that go speeds

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of Mach five they can actually print out

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parts of the craft probably talking

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about the Aurora project right I think

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they touch on that actually but it's

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just my blowing how you know we can

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actually create these kind of this kind

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of technology by printing it out I don't

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think we would have ever conceived of

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that you know like 50 years ago no but I

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did have a question actually for a panel

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it's just a different question and at

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just moving on to something completely

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different if everybody's ready for it I

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hope there's not going to be collective

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groan when I mentioned this name but dr.

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irina scott wanted to ask you how do you

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feel about bob lazar having worked at

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area 51 he said that he actually would

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way to each eng for the bus to arrive to

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then take him over to area 51 to then

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check in to work to then work at what he

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said was called s4 do you believe Bob

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story I believe that part because my

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husband worked for at area 51 and he

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lived in mercury Nevada and when

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by bus to area 51 he told me that and he

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also said that most very grim and things

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were developed there quite a bit were

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eight years ahead of where people

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actually know County but he didn't say

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anything about back-engineering from

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UFOs he did say that it was so good

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security clearance but he said lots of

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times if you're in a room with a

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something they were building that you

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weren't allowed to look at it or yeah

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and that's actually why I don't know if

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you recall early in the interview I

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asked you if you wanted to share any

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information about anybody close to you

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that had worked in kind of a classified

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position it was your husband I had

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wanted you to bring up but he didn't

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want to just ask you down directly in

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there without your permission was going

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to ask you did your husband ever mention

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to you about the possibility of

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counterintelligence officers working at

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area 51 to protect the base no I never

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asked him the question okay I think you

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know it was under it was mostly

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underground so they obviously were

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thinking about that Russia's spying on

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from above but okay

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and then also wanted to ask Earl Grey a

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question how do you feel about Bob Lazar

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claims about having worked at area 51

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particularly s4i I have my own opinion

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about him I think that it's questionable

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whether he has is actually a PhD or a

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physicist because he doesn't really

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speak like one and and it would be very

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easy for him to just take the test if he

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needed to prove that that's what he is

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but I do know that you know I don't know

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how many people know about my my mom's

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background but she was a headhunter for

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aerospace companies and they would look

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for unschooled or or or you know

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sometimes kids that were

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ready to get out of high school or just

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got out of high school who had natural

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talents and who thought differently and

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could and had a mathematical or

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scientific talent and I think that he

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might have been somebody that they

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called from that sort of a background

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that would explain the discrepancies

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with his you know like with only the

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only University we've been able to find

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him attending was a little Northridge

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you know Cal Northridge out here I think

446
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it was and and you know he didn't do all

447
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that well in his physics class II there

448
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that he took but you know I I dunno like

449
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like there's one gentleman that used to

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take him to MIT every day and pick him

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up

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I dunno the guy I believed him and my

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guess is that he was probably sitting in

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the class he wasn't enrolled but he was

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just taking the class for his own

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personal edification and I think maybe

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they thought he could see you know

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something different in this technology

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that they didn't understand and so they

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let him have the a whack at it that's my

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opinion on Azhar I could be totally

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wrong but Kathleen Martin said that

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Stanton Friedman said that the smartest

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person that he ever met that was working

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on on nuclear rockets was a guy who is

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similar it was he was just self-taught

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so we do know aerospace companies do

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look for people like that and that's

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what I think perhaps Bob Lazar was well

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I wanted to thank a friend of mine

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Rodrigo Vieira for that question about

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Bob Lazar I actually had wanted to ask

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it earlier on in the show but it really

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didn't match kind of the topic we were

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talking about that well but I think it's

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appropriate now and that is Shane I

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wanted to ask you the same question

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before you move on to the the next topic

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that I do want to discuss our Lazar a

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little bit because we went through this

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in great detail we did a Bob Lazar

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roundtable late last yeah you were

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involved with it yeah and one of the

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things that that we talked about in some

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detail was not so much corbels movie but

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Bob's own documentary that he produced

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himself in the early 90s and during that

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was basically broken into two segments

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the one segment the first segment was

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the stuff he claims to have seen and

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then the other segment was he went into

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some detail about a briefing that he

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received that he did not claim that he

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knew for a fact but he claimed that this

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was the briefing and I think that was I

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think he's telling the truth about that

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part of it and some of it went into some

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details about the ETS that the

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government knows that they're from Zeta

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Reticuli which kind of is a reference

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back to the Betty and Barney Hill star

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map and that type of material there and

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that sounds an awful light to me like

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the kind of disinformation trick they

505
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often use where they will tie bad

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information to information that we know

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happened here in the field and use that

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as a way of gaining credibility for the

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dissin formation so that part of his

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story I absolutely believe that he was

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when I was working for the government I

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used to go on the apartment that he

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fenced bus and the buses they would

514
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transport you around Washington DC to

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different departments and it was a

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classified area but you can hear an

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awful lot about things you weren't

518
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supposed to know about just by getting

519
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on a bus like that and listening other

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people talk so you could pick up things

521
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you know in a way like that that the

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government's doing or you really have

523
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the right security clearance to know but

524
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you find out anyway okay it's fine you

525
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know things like that

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someone I'm getting a thank you for that

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input dr. Scott I'm gonna I'm gonna ask

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Shane heard a question but I wanted to

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mention something one of the benefits of

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my having been an administrator for

531
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about 20 different UFO groups on

532
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different social media platforms is you

533
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get to see comments by people from

534
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around the world about the topics you

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love to cover one one

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one conversation I saw which was

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absolutely fascinating took screenshots

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of and they plan on contacting this

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individual he was I believe a

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hairdresser in Los Alamos actually think

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he worked in Espanola which is just

542
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right outside of Los Alamos and he said

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that a few the people that he spoke to

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about Bob Lazar his own clients one

545
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:53,160
person said that he knew Bob Lazar

546
00:24:59,150 --> 00:24:56,310
worked for area 51 and said that in very

547
00:25:02,090 --> 00:24:59,160
authoritative manner and became

548
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:02,100
defensive when it was brought up that

549
00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:03,900
Bob Lazar may not have worked there and

550
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:06,270
that he felt he knew for a fact he did

551
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:10,050
and so it's interesting how you know for

552
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:12,270
30 years not very many people would jump

553
00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:14,940
forward for Bob on his part to say oh

554
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:16,980
yeah I remember you worked there you

555
00:25:21,170 --> 00:25:18,840
know I can corroborate your story yet

556
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:21,180
Here I am just an administrator of a few

557
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:23,610
UFO groups and right there somebody

558
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,460
saying yes I can corroborate that story

559
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:28,740
here's my information now anybody can

560
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,570
say anything but still it must be

561
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:32,760
frustrating for Bob you know if you ever

562
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,290
hear something like this on the air

563
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,600
there are people you know thirty years

564
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,760
later finally saying something Shaina

565
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:40,440
was gonna ask you how do you feel about

566
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:42,450
the possibility of Bob Lazar having

567
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:45,570
worked at area 51 more specifically his

568
00:25:50,270 --> 00:25:48,210
claim that he worked at s4 and he

569
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:50,280
actually saw nine different spacecraft

570
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:55,320
there in hangars yeah I certainly want

571
00:26:00,860 --> 00:25:56,850
to believe Bob Lazar

572
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:00,870
and you know a lot of the information it

573
00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:03,990
is verifiable and you know where there's

574
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:05,790
smoke there's fire right there there's

575
00:26:12,050 --> 00:26:10,110
no doubt some legitimacy there and that

576
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:12,060
but yet there are there are questions

577
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:14,370
and so I guess it's like my approach

578
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:17,880
with everything I you know I'll give

579
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:19,110
them the benefit of the doubt

580
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:22,050
certainly on on the verifiable stuff on

581
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:23,460
the other stuff we'll have to kind of

582
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:26,370
wait and see but I I do appreciate the

583
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:29,580
point that Earl had made on you know

584
00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:31,830
just because somebody's story doesn't

585
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:34,560
fit the typical story or the story that

586
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:36,120
we think makes the most sense doesn't

587
00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:39,130
mean it isn't true so just like that

588
00:26:44,669 --> 00:26:42,280
you know the aspect of bringing in

589
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:44,679
people who are not formally educated but

590
00:26:49,169 --> 00:26:46,690
who are clearly smart and know what

591
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:49,179
they're doing like you know is is a

592
00:26:55,230 --> 00:26:51,370
facet of many industries that that

593
00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:55,240
happens a lot and so and just because

594
00:27:00,419 --> 00:26:56,740
you have a degree doesn't mean you know

595
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:00,429
you really know your stuff so and and

596
00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:02,230
again remember we're dealing with you

597
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,120
know the intelligence community the most

598
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:07,600
secret secrets the US has there's going

599
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:10,630
to be a whole lot of unexplainable stuff

600
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:13,090
there's gonna be dead ends and and

601
00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:15,490
twists and turns and all that to anybody

602
00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:18,070
story or case so and some of it will

603
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:21,340
never be verifiable and that's the way

604
00:27:27,870 --> 00:27:24,220
they plan it you know and so like I said

605
00:27:30,659 --> 00:27:27,880
I want to believe it I do believe most

606
00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:30,669
of it or some of it some of the that's

607
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:33,400
not explainable you know I'll just I'll

608
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:35,860
wait and see and it's just another item

609
00:27:43,169 --> 00:27:41,890
in my gray box yep maybe box Frank did

610
00:27:46,049 --> 00:27:43,179
you want to cover anything else I was

611
00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:46,059
gonna wrap up the show well yeah we did

612
00:27:49,409 --> 00:27:47,500
talk a little bit about disinformation

613
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:49,419
so I did want to go through something

614
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:52,870
that I covered a little bit a little

615
00:27:57,659 --> 00:27:55,030
while back and I'd like to go through

616
00:28:00,810 --> 00:27:57,669
some of it again basically related to

617
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:00,820
the serpent the M J 12 material just

618
00:28:04,649 --> 00:28:03,820
because a great camera and a good friend

619
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:04,659
of the show

620
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:07,530
top five UFO researcher in the field is

621
00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:11,770
talking about a transcript that has come

622
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:15,460
into his possession regarding a military

623
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:18,490
individual and top scientist names we

624
00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:20,860
would recognize and this is supposedly a

625
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:24,760
transcript where all is revealed sort of

626
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:28,090
a smoking gun if true but I didn't want

627
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:29,890
to go through some things that I found

628
00:28:38,010 --> 00:28:32,010
regarding the the majestic 12 documents

629
00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:38,020
that excuse me that I think should lead

630
00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:39,640
us all to be a little bit cautious as

631
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:41,380
far as this is concerned I've got a

632
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:44,230
slide up now which is basically one of

633
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:48,010
the mj-12 letters from President Truman

634
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:50,350
to then Secretary of Defense Forrestal

635
00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:52,690
back in 1940

636
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,140
where he's directing Forrestal to start

637
00:29:01,530 --> 00:28:58,720
the majestic 12 program along with dr.

638
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:01,540
Vannevar Bush and in fact going to the

639
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:03,670
Truman website down at the bottom now

640
00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:06,280
you can see the entry for the day and

641
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:10,900
the date on the bony letter September

642
00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:15,940
24th 1947 does in fact correspond with a

643
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:18,280
meeting that Truman did have in the

644
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:20,260
White House with those two individuals

645
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:24,190
and what this demonstrates is some some

646
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:26,140
research they did some research on this

647
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:28,930
and this is again these majestic 12

648
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:31,870
documents were first disseminated before

649
00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:34,090
there was an Internet so either someone

650
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:37,660
directly or through a hired researcher

651
00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:39,700
and did go to the Truman library to dig

652
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:42,790
up that meeting and I believe concocted

653
00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:45,790
this particular fake letter and also

654
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:49,390
there has been a supposedly a Marilyn

655
00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:51,790
Monroe was murdered because she knew too

656
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:55,540
much about UFOs that was a hook for a

657
00:30:01,380 --> 00:29:58,330
documentary released a couple years back

658
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:01,390
by Steven Greer about the UFO subject

659
00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:04,690
where she also featured Richard Doty and

660
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:08,590
a heroic light I believe and I don't

661
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:11,080
think that was exactly the right way to

662
00:30:18,410 --> 00:30:15,490
frame the former sergeant Doty but that

663
00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:18,420
document is a fake my source on

664
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:20,980
believing that it's a fake is a Paul

665
00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:23,170
Dean who I trust implicitly on this type

666
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:26,920
of material and also again something

667
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:29,950
that really raised the red flag with me

668
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:31,990
when I heard about this quote-unquote

669
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:36,940
transcript of being used to get the word

670
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:40,770
out on the UFOs from the serpo site a

671
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:43,690
transcript supposedly of Ronald Reagan

672
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,410
being briefed on UFOs so again if you

673
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:49,120
read through it it's available you can

674
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:51,640
go to the serpo or insight take a look

675
00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:54,640
at it for yourself and it is I don't

676
00:31:00,120 --> 00:30:57,220
believe at all legitimate it certainly

677
00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:00,130
doesn't read like it is people having a

678
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:02,560
conversation on this subject so I'm

679
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:04,570
highly skeptical of it I will note

680
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:05,770
though that on the date

681
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:08,140
this supposedly happened the recording

682
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:12,010
according to sir PO org was recorded

683
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,150
made between March 6 and March 8th 1981

684
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:19,120
and in fact Reagan was at Camp David at

685
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:22,350
that point again this is before the

686
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:24,550
advent of the Internet

687
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:28,360
but at the same time whoever is puts

688
00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:30,070
together these fake documents does do

689
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,870
their homework so I don't think that's

690
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:34,080
proof that this is an all legitimate

691
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:36,910
transcript of a conversation of then

692
00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:38,980
President Reagan being briefed about

693
00:31:46,290 --> 00:31:42,760
UFOs and again a little bit more we

694
00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:46,300
talked earlier about the possible et

695
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:48,040
landing at Holloman Air Force Base

696
00:31:52,650 --> 00:31:50,350
leading to a direct meeting between

697
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:52,660
military personnel and extraterrestrials

698
00:31:59,280 --> 00:31:56,590
this particular point bottom paragraph

699
00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:59,290
here on this slide the first ebin craft

700
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:00,610
entered our atmosphere during the

701
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:03,910
afternoon of April 24th 1964 the eben

702
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:06,460
craft landed at the wrong location near

703
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:09,330
Socorro New Mexico and again another

704
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:13,240
transparent attempt at trying to tie the

705
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,970
pure fiction with known established

706
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:17,820
facts of course there was a legitimate

707
00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:20,980
UFO case in Socorro New Mexico on that

708
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:22,600
particular date involving Lonnie Zamora

709
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:26,230
but there was not there was no

710
00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:30,720
connection at all with any kind of

711
00:32:38,010 --> 00:32:33,790
summit meeting between extraterrestrials

712
00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:38,020
and American military and then let's see

713
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:41,380
what was this one here oh this is a the

714
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:44,410
the another majestic 12 document and

715
00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:48,150
this here that I have up now is from

716
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:51,790
September 1947 supposedly the twining

717
00:32:58,740 --> 00:32:53,010
hot

718
00:33:01,980 --> 00:32:58,750
Harry Truman and what was the problem

719
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:01,990
with this one here oh yes okay that the

720
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:04,060
based on all available evidence

721
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:05,890
collected from recovered exhibits

722
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,930
currently under study by lists off a

723
00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:09,760
number of organizations including the

724
00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:13,030
RAND Corporation you'll see that at

725
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:14,980
murid next to bullet point number one

726
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:19,330
and at that time frame in 1947

727
00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:22,660
number of 1947 the RAND Corporation did

728
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:26,140
not exist so their their homework failed

729
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:27,790
in terms of that particular document

730
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:29,260
there's another one floating out there

731
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:31,510
called the Eisenhower briefing document

732
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,060
some researchers seem to think that that

733
00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:37,360
is a legitimate document that is you

734
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:39,520
know that was stuck in among the fake

735
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:41,770
documents and but and now that one is

736
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:45,130
legit but that particular document does

737
00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:49,980
refer back to the September 24th 1947 a

738
00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:54,630
meeting between Truman and Forrestal and

739
00:34:00,120 --> 00:33:57,910
Vannevar Bush that did happen but again

740
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:00,130
I don't believe that the purpose of that

741
00:34:05,550 --> 00:34:02,910
meeting was to start the majestic 12

742
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:05,560
organization I have no doubt that

743
00:34:11,490 --> 00:34:07,720
there's something that exists a really

744
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:11,500
high end group that has access to the

745
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:15,040
very best UFO information but I don't

746
00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:17,350
believe anything like that where when it

747
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:19,840
was initiated or whether it's followed

748
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:22,210
up on or even any kind of final reports

749
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:24,550
was ever put in the writing so that's

750
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,890
why I'm always skeptical when these kind

751
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:29,440
of documents come out so there there's

752
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:31,570
my little rant those Frances Frank's

753
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:40,810
rant for today that is according to one

754
00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:43,060
of our listeners rodrigo vera he was

755
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,100
saying that dr. hal put off and he did

756
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:46,960
indeed do this by the way i just checked

757
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:49,210
dr. hal put off head so there's a

758
00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:51,250
document out there about a UFO crash

759
00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:53,830
which is real according to what he said

760
00:34:57,810 --> 00:34:55,840
but he can't understand why it's out

761
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,820
there and he didn't elaborate very much

762
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:00,720
either i believe was on a c2c show with

763
00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:03,970
george knapp and again dr. Howell put

764
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:05,620
off the other thing I wanted to say is

765
00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:07,660
just that just to jump in and that has

766
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:09,880
been confirmed by dr. Davis that there

767
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:15,340
is a crash retrieval program okay but

768
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:16,690
can you tell us what you're talking

769
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:18,700
about when you say that so that Earl

770
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:20,410
Shayne and dr. Scott know what you're

771
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:22,060
what you're referring to the context

772
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,770
well he said it and I didn't we need to

773
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:25,420
get him on the show for the details but

774
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:27,250
i'ma said well anytime anything comes

775
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:29,320
down I mean that's how the foreign

776
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:30,940
technology division

777
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:33,220
gets their material anytime anything

778
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:36,730
comes down that might be a foreign

779
00:35:40,049 --> 00:35:38,770
threat that you know they're going to

780
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:40,059
send out a team and they're gonna pick

781
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,130
it up now I don't necessarily think it's

782
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:45,280
et but I mean it could be certainly it

783
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:48,970
could be but you know there's no doubt

784
00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:50,440
in my mind that there is such a thing as

785
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:52,869
a crash retrieval well it

786
00:36:00,990 --> 00:35:55,359
wright-patterson they even have that

787
00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:01,000
type of thing for experimental who I

788
00:36:07,529 --> 00:36:03,460
mean something if our experimental

789
00:36:09,539 --> 00:36:07,539
crafts crash well they have a retrieval

790
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:09,549
sure sure absolutely yeah because they

791
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:11,170
don't want that falling into the hands

792
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:13,930
of potential adversary and of them

793
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:18,490
reverse engineering us yeah yeah I'm

794
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,770
okay regarding the mj-12 documents

795
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:22,720
didn't want to make a comment about that

796
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:25,750
Michael W Hall the attorney for a grant

797
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:28,750
Cameron who was was able to represent

798
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:31,690
grant on a couple shows I've been on it

799
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:33,220
when was with the Dave it was on the

800
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:34,660
Dave Scott show I believe you and I were

801
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:39,220
on that Frank not when Michael Hall the

802
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:40,750
lawyer for grant Cameron made his

803
00:36:48,359 --> 00:36:45,750
astounding I guess it was I don't know

804
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:48,369
he was revealing to the world that Grant

805
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:50,890
Cameron felt he had new mj-12 documents

806
00:36:56,549 --> 00:36:53,950
and then he also was on our show to talk

807
00:37:00,480 --> 00:36:56,559
about it again III basically said this

808
00:37:02,279 --> 00:37:00,490
and that is I was hoping that grant

809
00:37:04,049 --> 00:37:02,289
Cameron's discovery of these new

810
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:04,059
documents which were given to him by

811
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,950
somebody I he can't say who regarding

812
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:10,720
the verification of it I don't know if

813
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:15,460
you all remember this I but Hyman Masson

814
00:37:23,279 --> 00:37:18,130
I don't I I'll be honest with you I

815
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:23,289
don't even like saying his name okay I

816
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:25,720
followed him you know when he first

817
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:28,510
started you guys probably know where I'm

818
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:30,430
going with this he's Mexican journalist

819
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:32,950
it's the television personality and you

820
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:36,010
apologists back in the day years ago

821
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,720
when he would cover the topic of UF

822
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:40,240
ology and I absolutely loved being able

823
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:43,930
to listen to his reports but when he

824
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:44,290
come

825
00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:48,370
the topic I'm sorry when he said that

826
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:50,830
there was a real alien and he led an

827
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:52,780
event called be a witness I'm sure you

828
00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:54,490
all remember that and think it was in

829
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,910
Mexico people from all over the world

830
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:00,400
went to that event and they felt like

831
00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:04,530
they had egg on their faces when they

832
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:07,720
when they left they realized that the

833
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:10,780
alien which was unveiled as authentic

834
00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:12,910
was actually not it was that of a

835
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:14,980
mummified body importantly that about

836
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:17,770
what a child I hope that what grant

837
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:19,810
Cameron has supposedly discovered

838
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,570
regarding these mj-12 documents that are

839
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:24,400
supposed to be so astounding and by

840
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:27,550
blowing are not going to end up in that

841
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:31,630
kind of category what I was gonna ask

842
00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:33,340
yeah I just want to jump in and say I'd

843
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:35,380
like to see him right away I do tend to

844
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:36,970
think if I had to bet a dollar one way

845
00:38:42,780 --> 00:38:38,620
or the other I would bet that it's

846
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:42,790
disinfo or if not governmental disinfo

847
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:45,610
then somebody who sort of looked at the

848
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:47,110
material that they put out over the

849
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:49,300
years the fuzzy type material from

850
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:51,850
people like Rick Doty take a close look

851
00:38:56,070 --> 00:38:54,250
at it and figured out some of the tricks

852
00:38:58,590 --> 00:38:56,080
they use and essentially do the same

853
00:39:00,060 --> 00:38:58,600
kind of thing I think at this point it's

854
00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:00,070
something I could do if I wanted to do

855
00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:01,630
it you know I think probably we'll know

856
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:03,580
enough about what's in that material

857
00:39:08,850 --> 00:39:06,370
we're skeptical enough but those tricks

858
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:08,860
are not that difficult to copy so though

859
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:10,450
there could be some copycats out there

860
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:13,720
it could be currently active opposing

861
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:14,470
disinformation

862
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:17,080
we don't know that the Rick Doty wasn't

863
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:19,690
the person who gave this material so you

864
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:21,670
know again I'm highly skeptical but I'd

865
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:23,170
like to see him right away for the

866
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:26,680
simple reason being that opposing

867
00:39:32,850 --> 00:39:30,550
disinformation it gets out there and it

868
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:32,860
it informed some people some people

869
00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:34,420
believe it regardless of what's in it

870
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:37,060
and it's something that you know we need

871
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:38,530
to know about if they're still actively

872
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:40,690
doing this type of thing or it's some

873
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:43,090
kind of a private sector opportunist we

874
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:45,010
should know that it's just like if

875
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:46,510
somebody goes through your neighborhood

876
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:49,210
running the home improvement scam you

877
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:50,500
want to let your neighbors know about

878
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:52,630
that you know what I mean sure so so

879
00:39:57,150 --> 00:39:54,790
that's that's kind of the same kind of

880
00:39:57,930 --> 00:39:57,160
attitude I take with it I'm itching to

881
00:40:01,559 --> 00:39:57,940
see the materia

882
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:01,569
whatever it is and hey I can't say with

883
00:40:05,549 --> 00:40:03,190
a hundred percent certainty it's not

884
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:05,559
going to be legitimate but I would like

885
00:40:09,809 --> 00:40:08,049
to know I would like to see it ASAP well

886
00:40:11,549 --> 00:40:09,819
I think we need to be fair to our panel

887
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:11,559
let them go thank you very much for

888
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:14,380
having come on today I wanted to be able

889
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:16,990
to just mention dr. Scott's book also

890
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:20,770
before I close the show and one comment

891
00:40:26,099 --> 00:40:23,890
I have to interject myself here and let

892
00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:26,109
everybody know that one of our loyal

893
00:40:30,839 --> 00:40:28,780
listeners again Rodrigo there's actually

894
00:40:32,549 --> 00:40:30,849
been others too but I can't keep up with

895
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:32,559
the husband because I have to go in

896
00:40:36,859 --> 00:40:34,750
between different applications and

897
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:36,869
sometimes things get lost in the process

898
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:39,010
regarding people's comments sorry about

899
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:41,890
that but a comment he wanted to make was

900
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,930
Clifford stone who claimed to have been

901
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:46,000
a part of the UFO crash retrieval

902
00:40:49,799 --> 00:40:48,250
program you wanted to mention that I

903
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,809
don't know if anybody knows anything

904
00:40:54,329 --> 00:40:51,839
about that does anyone know about that I

905
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:54,339
spent a lot of time talking to him when

906
00:41:01,140 --> 00:40:57,609
I last year in Roswell but I didn't ask

907
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:01,150
him about coarseness he has a huge

908
00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:05,049
roomful just loads of information but

909
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:07,720
again I didn't ask him about that well

910
00:41:12,569 --> 00:41:10,690
I'm glad you mentioned that dr. Scott

911
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:12,579
was gonna ask you since you you're

912
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:14,650
talking about him who is he

913
00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:16,210
and can you tell us a little bit about

914
00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:18,760
why you actually covered him I guess in

915
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:20,440
one of your books or an article or why

916
00:41:28,769 --> 00:41:24,119
did you interview him giving a talk at

917
00:41:33,029 --> 00:41:28,779
Roswell and he was the other speaker and

918
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:33,039
so anyway people said you know that I

919
00:41:38,549 --> 00:41:35,710
met him and that I could interview him

920
00:41:40,769 --> 00:41:38,559
and they newing so we went to out to his

921
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:40,779
house and I talked to him for a long

922
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:41,440
time

923
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:43,510
and he just loaded with all kinds of

924
00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:47,460
information all kinds of government

925
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:50,680
documents and everything and I asked him

926
00:41:59,039 --> 00:41:53,369
a lot of things but I didn't ask him

927
00:42:00,990 --> 00:41:59,049
about certain things such as whether he

928
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:01,000
saw aliens and that sort of thing which

929
00:42:06,569 --> 00:42:05,020
I should have asked me well I thank you

930
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:06,579
very much for having said that by the

931
00:42:10,829 --> 00:42:09,190
way dr. Scott I I you got I just have to

932
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:10,839
tell everybody this I know when we get

933
00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:11,650
off the show I mean it's

934
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:13,000
really bad for not having asked this

935
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,820
question so I'm just gonna do it I

936
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:17,440
wanted to ask everybody on the panel and

937
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:19,090
anybody can you know jump in here and

938
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:21,610
talk whenever they want does anybody

939
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,790
believe mj-12 documents exist or not I

940
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:29,440
do not I don't think they put that sort

941
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:31,420
of thing in right yes yes John Freedman

942
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:33,670
seems to think that a few of them might

943
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:36,700
be I understand I understand I have to

944
00:42:41,550 --> 00:42:39,520
agree to disagree on that I don't I'm

945
00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:41,560
just making that comment I understand I

946
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,260
understand yeah well I I went into

947
00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:45,520
detail about

948
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:48,940
mj-12 in my last book and try to dissect

949
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,510
them a bit and you know they're they're

950
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:54,400
actual documents but that doesn't mean

951
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:56,050
they're real and accurate or anything

952
00:43:00,420 --> 00:42:58,330
like that they're probably you know I

953
00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:00,430
went into the history I mean I think for

954
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:03,340
the most part they're made up and

955
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:05,230
somebody went to a lot of trouble to do

956
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:08,800
it and they did I think that's important

957
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:10,810
yeah that's an important thing they had

958
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:12,760
resources whoever put them together and

959
00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:17,260
I think it was a Posey and to anvil

960
00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:19,660
mortar not legit at least the concept

961
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:22,270
conceptually I mean is there a group

962
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:24,850
within the government that is charged

963
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:28,120
with you know control units I mean that

964
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:30,430
that whether they're legit or not the

965
00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:32,950
principle applies I think yes I agree

966
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:33,430
with that

967
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:36,190
yeah absolutely there's something out

968
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:38,590
there that sort of oversees everything

969
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:42,790
on this subject but it's amorphous you

970
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:44,890
know yeah and then you know to create

971
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:48,310
documents is a great disinformation ploy

972
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:51,610
right because you could you you put them

973
00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:53,530
out there as other legit and then you

974
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:55,660
later intentionally debunk them and then

975
00:44:00,840 --> 00:43:57,850
you create you know so all these seeds

976
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:00,850
of doubt stuff so I mean it's all again

977
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:02,980
I hate to keep saying it but you know I

978
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,590
have a gray box and it's pretty full you

979
00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:10,000
know I just I use caution with

980
00:44:14,130 --> 00:44:12,220
everything you know that then I think

981
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:14,140
that well illustrates it right there

982
00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:17,530
that documentation yeah who long time

983
00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:20,140
has been wasted on that that could have

984
00:44:25,260 --> 00:44:22,660
been used right exactly

985
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:25,270
exam yep

986
00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:26,680
I don't think you could have said it any

987
00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:28,180
better anyone could have said that

988
00:44:32,609 --> 00:44:30,220
better that really sums it up so well

989
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:32,619
dr. up Earl how do you feel about the

990
00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:34,630
mj-12 documents about the veracity of

991
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:36,430
them do you think they're authentic us

992
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:39,430
maybe box as well that's it's gray box

993
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:41,650
I'll tell you can name your box after me

994
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:44,230
and yeah beer oh great we'll put it into

995
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:52,720
your gray box it goes into my gray box

996
00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:55,810
III think that perhaps you know it's

997
00:45:00,600 --> 00:44:58,270
Stanton Friedman III had him sign my

998
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:00,610
mj-12 book by the way I have a first

999
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:03,310
edition and he was he was kind of he was

1000
00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:05,470
interested to see it he said oh this is

1001
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:07,000
you know there's still some of these

1002
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:09,490
around huh its first edition other thing

1003
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:12,730
but you know I mean I think that it was

1004
00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:14,890
probably a probably a hoax

1005
00:45:22,770 --> 00:45:17,320
he might have gotten railroaded in on

1006
00:45:24,510 --> 00:45:22,780
but I don't know I don't know we do know

1007
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:24,520
that there's there's obviously a

1008
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:26,050
government organization that's

1009
00:45:32,010 --> 00:45:29,920
interested in UFOs and I wouldn't be

1010
00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:32,020
surprised if the people that were in

1011
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:34,840
those documents whether false are true

1012
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:38,170
we're working on stuff you know I'm

1013
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:39,730
gonna tell you or I'll jump in and tell

1014
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:41,710
everybody here when I first got into

1015
00:45:50,099 --> 00:45:45,250
this and I'm a skeptic and I still am in

1016
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,109
about a lot of things but I didn't well

1017
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:52,240
let me put it this way when I see

1018
00:45:57,690 --> 00:45:54,030
something that seems too good to be true

1019
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,700
yeah you know so I did take a look at

1020
00:46:02,580 --> 00:45:59,920
the mj-12 documents and I've got to tell

1021
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:02,590
you it was a pretty as somebody not

1022
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:05,170
being expert somebody was interested but

1023
00:46:11,550 --> 00:46:09,760
not being expert on the subject it was a

1024
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:11,560
really helpful research to ultimate

1025
00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:14,380
because it was all kind of together key

1026
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:17,380
players were identified and it was very

1027
00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:20,230
helpful too it really was however I

1028
00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:21,700
still think they're fair I still think

1029
00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:23,560
they're fiction yeah it was helpful

1030
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:32,680
fiction to me probably yeah we'll see so

1031
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,410
I wanted to mention a few things in that

1032
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:36,880
is I agree with Frank and by the way I

1033
00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:38,320
don't agree with everything Frank says

1034
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:38,950
that all the

1035
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:42,640
all the time this is actually at first I

1036
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:46,000
should bring a bell or something I

1037
00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:49,270
actually grew Frank on mj-12 but I do

1038
00:46:55,049 --> 00:46:51,790
have to bow down to San Freedman because

1039
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:55,059
as we all know you know when Stan

1040
00:47:00,799 --> 00:46:56,290
Freedman feels something could be

1041
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:05,190
so ok because he thinks that a few of

1042
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:07,569
those documents might be authentic ok

1043
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:09,490
I'll consider it but in general no I

1044
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:10,750
don't think they're authentic

1045
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:14,230
I'm sorry grant Cameron I I appreciate

1046
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:17,230
you very much but no I am NOT gonna

1047
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:18,970
believe that your documents are

1048
00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:20,970
authentic until I have some kind of

1049
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:22,780
something to go by

1050
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,670
in order to have a check and balance to

1051
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:27,280
check them myself I wanted to mention

1052
00:47:32,010 --> 00:47:29,290
everybody about the mj-12 documents you

1053
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:32,020
can go to Stanton Friedman comm and look

1054
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:36,609
up the mj-12 four-part series he did on

1055
00:47:42,510 --> 00:47:40,000
this topic and it's almost like a

1056
00:47:44,789 --> 00:47:42,520
scientific audit of everything regarding

1057
00:47:47,789 --> 00:47:44,799
mj-12 also want to let everybody know

1058
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,799
about dr. Irena Scott's having been

1059
00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:49,839
interested mj-12 and her investigation

1060
00:47:55,859 --> 00:47:52,599
on it dr. Scott which book did you cover

1061
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:55,869
the mg 12-top again I went the most

1062
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:00,400
detail about in secret corridors ok yes

1063
00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:02,170
and I do want to cover that book I have

1064
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,780
it right up and right in front of me so

1065
00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:06,400
I want to thank our panel today and I'm

1066
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:08,440
gonna also mention that book thank you

1067
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:10,540
dr. Irena Scott for having been on our

1068
00:48:14,789 --> 00:48:12,700
show today on such short notice everyone

1069
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:14,799
for having been on yes we absolutely yep

1070
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:16,420
yeah we put this together pretty quick

1071
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:21,190
actually yeah in absolutes dr. Scott

1072
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,490
worked on her a wonderful book for a

1073
00:48:31,289 --> 00:48:27,760
very long time and it's a book I

1074
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:31,299
recommend everybody buy for good reason

1075
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,190
and by the way nobody's getting rich in

1076
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:35,440
the field of ufology through books ok I

1077
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:38,500
know dr. Irena Scott is she doesn't have

1078
00:48:42,569 --> 00:48:40,510
money to like buy an island because of

1079
00:48:45,809 --> 00:48:42,579
her books or something but yeah she's

1080
00:48:47,579 --> 00:48:45,819
done decades of research and would love

1081
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to share this wonderful book it's called

1082
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:49,780
sacred corridor secrets behind the real

1083
00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:51,640
Project Blue Book wright-patterson Air

1084
00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:52,750
Force Base

1085
00:48:59,610 --> 00:48:56,380
Patel memory metal dr. J Allen Hynek and

1086
00:49:01,830 --> 00:48:59,620
UFO cover-ups please go to Amazon and

1087
00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:01,840
check out that book and then also want

1088
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:04,030
to thank Shane herd field investigator

1089
00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:06,070
for Phoenix MUFON for having come on the

1090
00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:07,660
show today on such short notice

1091
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,600
and Earl Grey also Southern California

1092
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:15,040
he's a chief investigator for Southern

1093
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:16,990
California's chapter there Shane and

1094
00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:21,970
Earl one of your books coming out in a

1095
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:26,080
month or so I hope jeans coming up me I

1096
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:28,810
just have to find time to actually do it

1097
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,990
I'm too busy I mean I literally I'm

1098
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:34,240
gonna leave you guys in about an hour

1099
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:37,210
and a half I've got a experience a

1100
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:39,010
research team meeting with Kathleen

1101
00:49:44,610 --> 00:49:41,590
Martin and all those guys and it's it's

1102
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:44,620
time for you know I've been doing all

1103
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:47,830
these AR T cases you know experience a

1104
00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:50,890
research team through MUFON the last

1105
00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:52,840
seven months and it'sit's the week that

1106
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:55,180
I'm supposed to actually bundle them all

1107
00:49:59,700 --> 00:49:57,220
together and physically send those out

1108
00:50:03,570 --> 00:49:59,710
to Kathleen Martin so I've been very

1109
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:03,580
very busy you know write a book I mean

1110
00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:09,880
I've got like ten in me at least we we

1111
00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:11,320
also by the way forgot to mention

1112
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:13,900
somebody that's really important and

1113
00:50:20,070 --> 00:50:17,350
that is I know dr. Scott and Earl Grey

1114
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:20,080
and Shane hurt and Frank will agree with

1115
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:22,570
me on this that Leonard H Stringfield

1116
00:50:27,060 --> 00:50:25,450
another classic UFO gist when I want to

1117
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:27,070
interviewed Earl Grey he went into

1118
00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:29,530
detail about him how much he admires him

1119
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:31,600
having specialized in UFO crash

1120
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:33,910
retrievals and his status reports are

1121
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:36,340
also amazing to read so I just want to

1122
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:37,990
mention that name to that iconic person

1123
00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:40,690
yes you can find him on Amazon you can

1124
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:43,660
download them on your Kindle you know

1125
00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:45,910
Stringfield status reports wonderful

1126
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:48,820
reading and just really amazing and Wow

1127
00:50:53,370 --> 00:50:51,190
you know

1128
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:53,380
you were mentioning his book situation

1129
00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:55,330
read also when I interviewed you but

1130
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:57,310
thank you so much everybody for having

1131
00:51:01,170 --> 00:50:59,290
come on the show on such extremely short

1132
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:01,180
notice today we covered a lot of really

1133
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:02,890
mind-blowing stuff I think this is gonna

1134
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:04,510
be one of our best shows of the year so

1135
00:51:08,099 --> 00:51:06,490
thank you absolutely

1136
00:51:10,829 --> 00:51:08,109
come thanks a lot everybody appreciate

1137
00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:10,839
you chant thank you for a so yep and

1138
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:13,270
let's wrap this up here we're gonna be

1139
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:15,790
back Tuesday Thursday and then the

1140
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:18,130
following Monday I believe it's Tom Reed

1141
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:21,250
Tuesday the Thursday Bruce cornet and

1142
00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:24,010
then a week from tomorrow next Monday

1143
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:25,480
not this coming Monday the following

1144
00:51:28,170 --> 00:51:25,930
Monday

1145
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:28,180
Keith pastor fields going to be on from

1146
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:31,990
all the way in Australia so tune in and

1147
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:33,250
I think we're probably going to try to

1148
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:34,900
avoid Sundays because that's when we

1149
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:37,270
seem to have our technical glitches so

1150
00:51:41,490 --> 00:51:38,250
going forward

1151
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:41,500
UFOs news network Sunday might not be on

1152
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,810
quite as many Sundays that's we've been

1153
00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:45,760
doing a lot of that lately but good

1154
00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:47,080
night everybody enjoy what's left of